Nursery Cryme (5/9/71-3/9/72)

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Tour Summary and Menu

Cryme, 1971-73 (Studio)

The Musical Fox, 16/1/72 (Arlon, Belgium)

Living a Simple Life (MUPPET 11), 16/1/72 (Belgium)

Watford Technical College, 4/3/72 (UK)

Shade of Dawning, 4/3/72 (Watford Tech College, UK)

Hogweed 09 (HW09), 20-21/3/72, 17/1/73, 12/2/74

Lem Club, 9/4/72 (Verona, Italy)

Lem Club, 9/4/72 (Verona, Italy)

Live in Pavia, 14/4/72 (Palasport, Pavia, Italy)

Lugo di Romagna (TSRMP), 15/4/72 (Ravenna, Italy)

Roma, 18/4/72 (Piper Club)

Live in Roma (TM), 18/4/72 (Piper Club)

Live at the Teatro Mediterraneo, 19/4/72 (Naples, Italy)

Naples '72 (complete), 19/4/72 (Teatro Mediterraneo, Naples)

Paris '72, 26/6/72 (Olympia Theatre, Paris France)

Watford Town Hall, 28/6/72 (UK)

Euchre Show, 28/6/72 (Watford Town Hall, UK)

Watford Town Hall '72, 28/6/72 (UK)

Like a Nun With a Gun (PRRPGS002), 28/6/72 (UK)

Solihull '72, 25/7/72 (Civic Hall, Solihull UK)

Solihull '72 Remastered, 25/7/72 (Civic Hall, Solihull UK)

Reading Festival (HW03), 11/8/72 (Reading, UK)

The Coastliners, 20/8/72 (Piper 2000 Club, Viareggio)

Viareggio (early show), 20/8/72 (Piper 2000 Club)

Seven Stones in Genoa, 22/8/72 (Teatro Alcione, Genoa)

Seven Stones in Genoa, 22/8/72 (Teatro Alcione, Genoa)

BURP 8, 22/8/72 (Teatro Alcione, Genoa Italy)


Cryme

1971-73

01 Happy the Man (rough mix) (2:55)
02 Happy the Man (cleaner mix) (3:13)
03 Happy the Man (demo) (2:52)
04 Happy the Man (demo) (2:49)
05 Only Your Love (rehearsal) (3:52)
06 Silver Song (demo) (4:06)
07 Silver Song (demo) (4:17)
08 Silver Song (demo) (4:13)
09 Only Your Love (demo) (3:06)
10 Harold the Barrel (alt take) (2:57)
11 Harlequin (alt take) (2:49)
12 The Fountain of Salmacis (alt take) (7:42)
13 Watcher of the Skies (single edit?) (3:38)
14 Supper's Ready (demo) (22:31)

Type/Quality: Studio/Very Good-Good (mostly Very Good)

Comments: It's really not right for me to put this here. Not only is it better suited in the Compilations section, it is also not really right to put it here chronologically speaking, as the majority of these demos are probably from after 1971. However, it is likely that tracks 10-12 are from '71. Tracks 13-14 are from 1972. "Happy the Man" is also probably from 1972, even though it was played live before. It's my understanding from all the reading I've done that tracks 5-9 are all from late 1973, though I think some would put them in '74. Certainly you shouldn't want to hear "Happy the Man" anymore after listening to this CD. Even though I love the idea of studio outtake/demo material like this, hearing multiple takes all in a row does not appeal to me. Still, this is really good quality and contains some rare demos/alternate takes.

The first version of "Only Your Love" sounds like Mike, Ant and Phil just messing around; Phil sings "Da da" instead of the lyrics, which may not have been written yet. It's actually quite cool to hear the song in this stage of its development. The first "Silver Song" has a doubling effect to it; it sounds as if the song was being played twice at the same time, but slightly off synch. Perhaps this has something to do with the stereo channels?? The song also ends abruptly instead of fading off like other versions. The second version of "Silver Song" has low volume and Phil's esses seem to come out too loud. The third version is probably the best-sounding one. For other versions of "Silver Song" with "Only Your Love," see Studio on the Foxtrot page and this compilation disc. For other versions of just "Silver Song," see my Worcester '83 show on the Mama page and this compilation. However apparently the re-issue of Ant's The Geese and the Ghost features the previously unreleased Phil-vocal version of "Silver Song," so no reason to go looking for a sub-standard bootleg version!

"Fountain" has 1-2 seconds of loud, solid static covering up a section of the song near the end; it comes out of nowhere and vanishes quickly, leaving an otherwise nearly perfect studio take with a strange mar. "Watcher" is structured exactly the same as its single edit, which appears on the first box set. It may very well be the same recording, or it could be an alternate take or demo of that recording. I'm not sure, because studio takes are so similar to one another that they're a lot harder to compare than live takes. "Supper" sounds very similar to its final studio version counterpart as well; all the effects seem to be there, and it's hard to make out the differences, though I'm sure they're there.

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The Musical Fox

16/1/72

1 Happy the Man (3:20)
2 Stagnation (8:41)
3 The Fountain of Salmacis (8:45)
4 Twilight Alehouse (8:28)
5 The Musical Box (10:21)
6 The Return of the Giant Hogweed (7:50)

Type/Quality: Audience/Good

Comments: (See my remaster of this recording, next entry.) This is the earliest existing audience bootleg from the Nursery Cryme tour (according to Simon Funnell's website). Recorded at the Charleroi Festival in Belgium. Some bootlegs of this show are incorrectly labeled from Switzerland. Mine was not. In "Happy the Man" after the "He is a good man" lines Pete asks: "Or is he??" This doesn't exactly add to the song, but it is an interesting variation (actually in live versions of this song the "or is he" addition was pretty much the norm). There are stories for all the tracks and they are quite audible; this would be a very good audience recording. However, there is a certain degree of distortion throughout the recording that forces me to rate it as Good. There are a few pops, and every once in a while a high-pitched sound sort of builds up and hangs in the background for a while. It sounds like what was originally a really good tape that is now pretty badly damaged but still holding together. The audience is barely there; perhaps it was one of the many sparse crowds of the early days ("Any requests?"), though that seems unlikely at a festival. Pete tries some French here, but he clearly is out of his depth and basically gives up trying after the first couple of tracks.

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Living a Simple Life (MUPPET 11)

16/1/72

1 Happy the Man (5:03)
2 Stagnation (9:50)
3 The Fountain of Salmacis (8:53)
4 Twilight Alehouse (9:18)
5 The Musical Box (10:22)
6 The Return of the Giant Hogweed (7:56)

Type/Quality: Audience/Good-Very Good

Comments: At the Festival in Charleroi, Belgium. The title above, inspired by a line from the opening song, is not mentioned on Simon's site but popped up when I put the CD in my computer and it was recognized by the CD database. The track times match the MUPPET version on the Movement. I don't have a lot of MUPPET remasters as they usually focus on Peter Gabriel solo recordings, but they stepped into the Genesis camp for this one, apparently from a third-generation tape. It was not exactly the stunning improvement I was hoping for--that unstable, barely-holding-together distortion is still present on the recording. It is remarkably clear overall, however, and free of the pops and high-pitched hum I mentioned in the entry for my previous version. Always nice to see vintage recordings like this getting some attention and sprucing up.

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Watford Technical College

4/3/72

01 Intro: Harlequin (1:10)
02 Harlequin (2:41)
03 Intro: Stagnation (1:56)
04 Stagnation (8:13)
05 Intro: Salmacis (2:20)
06 The Fountain of Salmacis (7:44)
07 Intro: Alehouse (2:22)
08 Twilight Alehouse (7:40)
09 Intro: Box (2:27)
10 The Musical Box (9:59)
11 Intro: Hogweed (1:23)
12 The Return of the Giant Hogweed (7:39)
13 Intro: Knife (1:54)
14 The Knife (8:32)
15 Audience Close (0:43)

Type/Quality: Audience/Poor

Comments: (I have the much better Highland version of this gig--see next entry.) This recording features a rare live version of "Harlequin" (in fact, the only existing live recording of it, I believe). Unfortunately, this is about all it has to commend it, as the quality is pretty awful. The sound is very muddy, especially Pete's vocals, which are very hard to make out. You can understand just enough of the stories between songs to make it frustrating that you can't understand the rest. Also, it's hissy. There's a small hitch in "Musical Box." Nevertheless, this is probably a complete show from this period. One of the stories I was able to make out (at least enough to be able to tell what story it was) was the one for "Twilight Alehouse." For this story Pete actually uses the Tube Train story of the Live album's liner notes (they had not been written yet at this point, of course). This is a rare story and it may be one of the first times he ever told it in front of an audience.

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Shade of Dawning

4/3/72

1 Harlequin (4:06)
2 Stagnation (11:23)
3 The Fountain of Salmacis (10:15)
4 Twilight Alehouse (10:24)
5 The Musical Box (11:31)
6 The Return of the Giant Hogweed (9:10)
7 The Knife (10:07)

Type/Quality: Audience/Good

Comments: At the Watford Technical College, this is the same show as the previous entry, but it sounds so much better I could slap my momma. You can actually hear what Pete is saying, there's not much noise of any kind, and I'm just overjoyed. The only possible problem I've come across is that it could be a tad slow. It's subtle if it is. It's great to have a good sounding live version of "Harlequin"--this is the only existing live recording of this song, as far as I know. The stories before "Stagnation" and "Salmacis" are unique, to my knowledge. For "Stagnation," the main character (instead of being a farmer who has onions, as he was in other versions of the story) is a fan of the game Monopoly who does some very grisly things to make his properties more interesting--some very black humor, even for Pete, and a fantastic story. In "Salmacis"'s intro, Pete dedicates the song to the Tesco supermarket chain, because as he puts it "without them, none of this would have been possible." As I mentioned in the above entry, the intro for "Alehouse" is in fact the famous tube train story, another unique event in my experience since Pete almost never told this story, much less in front of this particular song. The intro for "Box" is very similar to the one told at BBC Paris Studios a couple days before, and while it is still the standard tale of Henry and Cynthia and croquet, it also involves a pair of green knickerbockers and a naked celebrity who is supposed to lower into them during the song. Before "Hogweed" Pete tells the audience to see if they can spot the real John Lennon standing among them, and also asks them to enter the spot Spiny Norman contest (this last is a reference to a particularly good Monty Python sketch involving a giant hedgehog). I am very glad to have this disc, because it gives me a whole new great show from this tour--the other version I had of this was basically unlistenable, and it turns out the stories and intros from that night, when you can actually hear and understand them, are really great. The intro to "Harlequin" is missing from this version, but as it is unintelligible on the original, it's not worth it to splice it onto this disc. It's possible that more of the applause between songs has been edited out of this, but all the stories are complete except that introduction.

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Hogweed 09 (HW09)

(various dates)

 

Pop Shop: 20-21/3/72
1
The Fountain of Salmacis (7:29)
2 Twilight Alehouse (5:51)
3 The Musical Box (9:39)
4 The Return of the Giant Hogweed (5:46)
AFN Radio: 17/1/73
5 Watcher of the Skies (8:56)
6 The Musical Box (10:15)
Melody: 12/2/74
7 I Know What I Like (in Your Wardrobe) (5:07)
8 Supper's Ready (23:49)

Type/Quality: TV, Radio/Very Good

Comments: This Hogweed release, number 9, ends up being one of the earliest ones chronologically (if you go by the earliest date represented here, which is what I did). It features a smattering of Genesis TV/radio performances, one bunch of songs from each of the following tours respectively: Nursery Cryme, Foxtrot, Selling England. The first bunch is an oft-bootlegged set from Brussels, Belgium--I have it on several forms of video. This version is probably the best audio-only version out there--previous versions had suffered from a variety of problems, mostly speed related (I think). The second bunch are the only tracks broadcast from that date, and in fact the date is questionable as most gig guides do not mention this performance at all, supposedly played at the Jahrhunderthalle in Frankfurt, Germany on the date listed above. Dunnington suggests the possibility that the two tracks were recorded in a studio with a small studio audience, not at a normal gig. The last bit is from the French Melody TV program, recorded at ORTF Studios in Paris. I have this video on VCD and DVD.

As for the sources of all these audio transfers, they are very low generation. The artwork available on the Movement has slightly more information; for a list of Hogweed releases with links to my entries, feel free to consult my remastering groups reference list. The quality of all of these is quite good--just the tiniest bit rough, but still good enough to end up with a high rating on my quality scale. There are no cuts or errors, and no pauses, which is a refreshing and pleasant thing to have in a bootleg. Only one note: I believe the band purposefully played a truncated version of "Hogweed" at the Pop Shop performance, removing one of the later verses, probably due to the time constraints of the television program. That's why the song is shorter than one might expect.

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Lem Club, Verona

9/4/72

 

1 Intro to Twilight Alehouse/One-Handed Drum Solo (6:00)
2 Twilight Alehouse (8:02)
3 Can-Utility and the Coastliners (9:39)
4 The Musical Box (partial) (2:16)

Type/Quality: Audience/Poor

Comments: This is really not a very good recording (I have a much more complete and slightly better-sounding version directly below). The sound is very muddy, and it is often very difficult to tell what Pete is saying. But, that's what you get with audience bootlegs! Especially those from this early. There seem to have been quite a few problems that night; Pete tells the story for "Twilight Alehouse," but then they have to go into the drum solo because of technical problems. He also seems to unnecessarily lengthen the intro to the next song, probably because of more problems. The track called "Can-Utility and the Coastliners" is a very early version of that song, in fact probably the earliest extant recording of it. It is basically identical to a version played in Pavia, Italy on 14/4/72. Pete introduced that song as "Bye Bye Johnny," but he introduces this one as "Rock My Baby." Clearly, they hadn't pinned down a title yet. Both versions have a longer instrumental section at the end, with different lyrics than the studio version of "Can-Utility." To avoid confusion, this track has been labeled with its final title. "The Musical Box" is only 2:16 long and drops out abruptly a few seconds after the "Time left to live out my life" line. This one is very incomplete and the sound is fairly horrid, and probably not worth much to any but the dedicated collector. However, it is a fairly early boot and it does have the valuable early version of "Rock My Baby/Bye Bye Johnny/Can-Utility and the Coastliners" (which was apparently also known by a different title during its non-vocal, instrumental only stages: "I've Been Travelling All Night Long").

 

Lem Club, Verona

9/4/72

 

1 Happy the Man (4:00)
2
The Fountain of Salmacis (incomplete)(5:45)
3
Intro to Twilight Alehouse/One-Handed Drum Solo (6:01)
4 Twilight Alehouse (8:11)
5 Can-Utility and the Coastliners (9:40)
6 The Musical Box (partial) (2:20)

Type/Quality: Audience/Fair-Poor

Comments: This is an upgrade to the above show, with more tracks and better sound. The other version of this was very muddy and indistinct, I think because it was de-hissed. This one has clearly not been de-hissed, because it has a very loud hiss going through all of it--but it sounds clearer and there is less mud. You can actually make out what Pete is saying most of the time, whereas in the other one it was very difficult. "Fountain" comes in a little before the "As he rushed to quench his thirst" line, and continues on to the end. There's a sort of screeching noise over a few seconds of the song--I'm not sure if it's a tape problem or whether there was actually some sort of feedback going on during the performance. There are microphone bumps during the drum solo, probably since the taper thought it was safe to move around during this part of the show--and actually even as drum solos go this one is pretty stale, though Pete tells the story at the beginning of it about how Phil was trained by a famous Russian spastic. This early version of "Can Utility," introduced as "Rock My Baby," is probably the best recording of this song available. Of course, there are versions of it around after it was recorded in the studio in its final form, but as far as I know there are only two versions of it in this early, prototype form, and the other one is incomplete.

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Live in Pavia

14/4/72

1 Happy the Man (5:07)
2 The Fountain of Salmacis (9:05)
3 Twilight Alehouse (9:12)
4 Bye Bye Johnny (incomplete)(8:39)
5 The Musical Box (12:05)
6 The Return of the Giant Hogweed (7:43)
7 The Knife (9:04)

Type/Quality: Audience/Fair-Good

Comments: From the Palasport in Pavia, Italy. They played two shows here on this day, but I don't know which one this is. The person I got this from labeled the venue as "Palazzo delle Eposizioni," which may possibly be another, more specific name for "Palasport," which is what my other sources gave as the venue. The acoustics have a lot of echo to them, and there are some pops (only about one per track, and they all come only a few seconds in to each track--probably something to do with the burner). There is an underlying static/crackle that becomes slightly noticeable when the music gets loud. "Bye Bye Johnny" fades out near the end; it is the only incomplete song on here, and it is also the rarest one. Coincidence? I used this version of the song as a source for my first compilation disc, although that version has an ending which I spliced on from the Lem Club recording. Pete dedicates this version of the number to the people of Trieste; I think they had had to cancel a show there the day before. "Musical Box" starts off a little wavery, but generally the sound is fairly good and the vocals are at least discernible. IMO some particularly great guitar work by Steve Hackett at the end of "The Knife," which, as always, totally rocks.

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Lugo di Romagna (TSRMP)

15/4/72

1 Happy the Man (5:08)
2 Stagnation (9:20)
3 The Fountain of Salmacis (8:28)
4 Twilight Alehouse (7:29)
5 The Musical Box (10:43)
6 The Return of the Giant Hogweed (12:13)
7 The Knife (8:56)
8 Going Out to Get You (5:26)

Type/Quality: Audience/Good

Comments: There were 2 performances on this date, at the Lugo di Romagna in Ravenna, Italy. I don't know which show this is, and neither (seemingly) does anyone else. In fact depending on who you talk to this boot should be called "Lugo di Ravenna." Also the phrase "Hit Parade" is used. This version most closely matches the track times of the version on Simon's site with the title TSRMP-GEN-041572, the highest-rated version there.

There is some hiss on here, but it's pretty negligible and the quality is really quite nice, especially given the age of the recording. The vocals are quite understandable. There are a few microphone bumps and I heard one or two clicks during the louder bits early in the disc--notably a few spots early in "Stagnation." The story for "Salmacis" and for "Box" start a little bit in, but none of the songs are cut. There is at least one technical problem--most of the time these would be covered by Phil's drum solo, but here the problem is actually with Phil's drum kit! Peter fills the time by making Steve play the chord of E major.

For a long time I had a version of this show with nearly identical track times, which had a lot of pops and/or crackles on the last two tracks. I later obtained what turned out to be the exact same show, just a few seconds different in the track times, but without the pops and crackles on the end (apparently they were burner errors). Since they both appear to have been the TSRMP version, I have simply replaced my original entry with this one. This version originally had gaps, which were kindly removed by the trader before he sent it to me. It plays seamlessly.

Definitely among the better shows available for this tour, with the rare "Going Out to Get You."

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Roma

18/4/72

 

1 Happy the Man (4:35)
2 Stagnation (9:23)
3 The Fountain of Salmacis (8:44)
4 Twilight Alehouse (7:51)
5 One-Handed Drum Solo (3:09)
6 The Musical Box (10:32)
7 The Return of the Giant Hogweed (7:55)
8 The Knife (9:12)
9 Going Out to Get You (3:40)

Type/Quality: Audience/Good

Comments: Recorded at the Piper Club in Rome, Italy (see the excellent remaster, next entry). They actually did two shows at the club on this day, but I don't know which one this is. This bootleg is actually one of the best from this tour. I already had two mp3s from this performance before I got this boot, and I had labeled them both as being "poor" quality. (I had the drum solo, which I put on Odds, Ends and Instrumentals, and "Going Out to Get You," which I put on Studs and Stetsons; both compilation discs.) On later consideration, I find this ridiculous. For a long time I had this one as only a "fair," but that's just not right. This sounds far better than the majority of shows from this time period. There is tape hiss and a few small pops, but other than that the show is quite clear, audible, and complete. I still have a lingering suspicion that the speed is just a bit too fast on this one, but no one else seems to think so. This and Watford Town Hall are the two best boots that I know of from the NC tour, period (another really good one is The Coastliners).

Pete's stories are very short and in English, but he provides the title of the song in English and Italian. The only time he says something in Italian that I totally don't understand is right before the "One-Handed Drum Solo;" it sounds like he's talking about the electricity or something. It must be some sort of technical problem, because the drum solo was usually played to cover pauses in the set due to just these sorts of mess-ups. In "Musical Box," the guitar solo (or keyboard solo?! I can never tell) that comes before the "Old King Cole" section of the song is totally inaudible--I'm not sure if it's because there was actually a problem with the guitar, or because the recording didn't pick it up for some reason. The guitar seems to drop out at the very end of the song as well. Other than that, this is a very good boot that is a wonderful representative of their old days, and has some interesting numbers on it.

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Live in Roma (TM Productions)

18/4/72

01 Introduction (0:32)
02 Happy the Man (4:05)
03 Stagnation (9:32)
04 The Fountain of Salmacis (8:52)
05 Twilight Alehouse (7:42)
06 Drum Solo (3:55)
07 The Musical Box (10:42)
08 The Return of the Giant Hogweed (8:04)
09 The Knife (9:10)
10 Going Out to Get You (3:50)

Type/Quality: Audience/Good-Very Good

Comments: At the Piper Club in Rome, this recording was always one of the best from this tour--now it is even better. This one is a definite improvement over my previous version, with none of the pops and nice clear sound. On my car stereo this sounded hissy, but in my computer with headphones on it sounds just awesome--no hiss. There is even slightly more material on this version! After what was the end of the drum solo on my first version, Phil and Peter engage in some goofy vocal improvisation: "Uh goo goo, uh gah gah, uh goo goo." Cute! Worth it to note as well that this is one of the very few and one of the best quality live versions of "Going Out to Get You."

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Live at the Teatro Mediterraneo

19/4/72

1 Twilight Alehouse (8:17)
2 The Musical Box (11:04)
3 The Return of the Giant Hogweed/One Handed Drum Solo (8:27)
4 The Knife (7:50)

Type/Quality: Audience/Fair

Comments: As with many of the '72 Italian shows, Genesis played two gigs at the Teatro Mediterraneo in Naples, Italy on 19 April. Bootleg authorities are once again either uncertain about which show this is, or just didn't bother to mention it on their websites. This is a particularly incomplete version of this show. Another version of this show exists, from the same source (as both seem to have the same cut in "Hogweed"), with (in addition to the tracks above) the first half of the show: "Happy the Man," "Stagnation," and "The Fountain of Salmacis." I now have that complete version, which you can see directly below this entry--it's much better than this version. This bootleg I have here is just the second half of the show. It is also not of the best quality. I believe it's a little fast, and there is a certain amount of hiss. The story for "Box" begins, but then the recording hiccups back to the applause at the end of the last song, and the story starts over again, this time at a much lower volume. It does get louder again, though. The opening and the very ending of "Hogweed" are missing. "The Knife" ends very abruptly; it's possible the ending of that song is also cut off. You can hear the songs OK, and the hiccup in "Box" is fixable, so that if this were a complete show it wouldn't be that bad--however, it is not complete.

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Naples '72 (complete)

19/4/72

1 Happy the Man (4:17)
2 Stagnation (10:32)
3 The Fountain of Salmacis (8:25)
4
Twilight Alehouse (8:37)
5 The Musical Box (10:04)
6 The Return of the Giant Hogweed (6:47)
7 One Handed Drum Solo (2:12)
8 The Knife (8:17)

Type/Quality: Audience/Good-Fair

Comments: This is the complete upgrade to the previous show, played in Naples at the Teatro Mediterraneo. The sound quality is improved by quite a bit, and I don't believe I noticed any speed problems. However, there is a bit of a trade-off, because a repeated pattern of pops seems to be on this recording. They come rather often, but not always, and they're pretty much in the background. This is definitely the same source recording as the last show, because the same guy in the audience thinks "Twilight Alehouse" is going to be "Harold the Barrel." There was a hiccup in the other disc I got--there was also a hiccup in this one, but not in the same place. This one had one at the end of "Alehouse." I have removed it in my version. There are some problems after "Box" and in the beginning of "Hogweed"--the recording is cut and comes back in some seconds into "Hogweed." The end of that song is also missing, as on the last show. The first track fades in. This complete version is not that bad a show.

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Paris '72

26/6/72

1 Watcher of the Skies (6:43)
2 Twilight Alehouse (7:48)
3 The Fountain of Salmacis (8:32)
4 The Musical Box (10:48)
5 The Knife (8:47)

Type/Quality: Audience/Good-Fair

Comments: At the Olympia Theatre in Paris. For a long time I was secure in the knowledge that I had all of the existing recordings from the Nursery Cryme tour. After all, how could a "new" one surface after all these years? However, one day I strolled over to Simon's site and found that this show was now in his list. Naturally, I grabbed it very quickly. Previously, the earliest NC show with "Watcher of the Skies" was the next entry, from two days after this gig, at Watford Town Hall. Now the earliest recorded playing of "Watcher" is on this show. It sounds a lot like the slightly different version as played at Watford, except some of the beginning chords seem to have been chopped off--possibly Tony just shortened the intro himself, because it doesn't sound like there is a cut (Pete greets the audience and introduces the song before it begins).

Certainly some remastering has been done here; you can tell because whenever there is a moment of silence (espcially between songs), a large amount of hiss enters into the recording. During the songs, the hiss is not there. Pete's intros are generally very short, though he does mention that the prototype hermaphrodite in "Salmacis" was "unable to float." He does his normal story for "Box." There are no cuts in any of these songs, but this set list seems suspiciously short, especially compared to the Watford show of just two days later, which included "Stagnation," "Happy the Man," and "Hogweed." Hard to say whether songs are missing or whether they just played a short set that night for some reason. One other thing I should mention, and that is that the overall speed of this recording seems a tad too fast to me. Regardless, it's nice to have another Cryme show, especially from this particular period in the tour, when new songs which would end up on Foxtrot were beginning to enter the set.

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Watford Town Hall

28/6/72

1-01 Intro: Watcher (1:35)
1-02 Watcher of the Skies (7:03)
1-03 Intro: Stagnation (1:24)
1-04 Stagnation (8:26)
1-05 Intro: Salmacis/Solo (2:21)
1-06 One-Handed Drum Solo (2:54)
1-07 The Fountain of Salmacis (7:50)
1-08 Intro: Happy (1:07)
1-09 Happy the Man (3:19)
1-10 Intro: Alehouse (1:21)
1-11 Twilight Alehouse (7:58)
1-12 Intro: Box (1:21)
1-13 The Musical Box (10:35)
1-14 Intro: Hogweed (1:26)
1-15 The Return of the Giant Hogweed (7:59)

2-1 Intro: Knife/Improvisation (3:51)
2-2 The Knife (9:08)
Belgian TV: 20-21/3/72
2-3 The Fountain of Salmacis (8:12)
2-4 Twilight Alehouse (6:32)
2-5 The Musical Box (10:54)
2-6 The Return of the Giant Hogweed (incomplete) (4:00)
Felt Forum, NYC: 22/11/73
2-7 The Knife (8:31)

Type/Quality: Audience (2-3 to 2-6: TV)/Good

Comments: Most of this boot is a great show from near the end of the NC tour (I have many, many versions of this show; see following entries). It features a rare playing of "Watcher" before it was recorded in the studio; the vocals and arrangements are slightly different. The stories are excellent, and the band is clearly feeling pretty confident and playful. Vintage Genesis. The sound is not that bad, the vocals are quite distinct and the audience is not intrusive. As in many shows of the period, Pete makes a big deal about Phil's mastery of the triangle right before its use in "Twilight Alehouse." They flub the lyrics to "Happy the Man," and try to make a joke of it afterwards. As in The Musical Fox, above, Pete adds the line "Or is he?" to "Happy the Man," after the "he is a good man" refrain. Pete shouts a crazy intro for "Hogweed" that sounds as if it mentions the Hogweed Youth Movement, which was the "official" fan club at the time. "Salmacis" has some very loud, intrusive, and irritating clicks interfering with the first 1:45 of it. Then it fades away. Some low clicking returns for short bits of "Alehouse," but not nearly as bad as at the beginning of "Salmacis." In the intro to "The Knife," Pete says: "This is actually a very new encore." Then the band breaks into a twangy, simplistic, classic rock type of improvisation. They bounce along like this for a minute or so and then suddenly break into "The Knife." Either they were messing with the audience or there was something wrong with the equipment and they were buying time. This is probably one of the best (if not the very best) bootlegs from the NC tour.

The rest of the second disc that is not from Watford is pretty useless. Not only do I already have all the songs from the Belgian spot in multiple places (audio and video), and not only do I also already have the Felt Forum "Knife," but all of those songs have speed problems. The Belgian section is too slow (Pete sounds too deep and froggy) and "The Knife" is way too fast--of course, funny to listen to and imagine the audience screaming "Now play it even FASTER!!" But not the way it should sound by a long shot.

BTW, I also have available a version of this boot which discards the Belgian TV tracks and the sped-up "Knife" and crams the whole remaining show onto one disc. I'm not making a separate entry for it, because it's just a restructuring of this boot, but you should know that it exists.

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Euchre Show

28/6/72

01 Intro: Watcher (1:44)
02 Watcher of the Skies (8:09)
03 Stagnation (10:38)
04 One-Handed Drum Solo (2:55)
05 The Fountain of Salmacis (8:01)
06 Happy the Man (4:17)
07 Twilight Alehouse (9:28)
08 The Musical Box (12:01)
09 The Return of the Giant Hogweed (9:31)
10 Intro: Knife/Improv (2:08)
11 The Knife (9:06)

Type/Quality: Audience/Good

Comments: Just like the entry above, this is the show from Watford Town Hall. This one is another version, as released by the Highland label--it has been remastered in some way (see later entries for more alternate versions of this gig). There are some interesting differences between the two shows, and I'm not really sure which one sounds better even though the overall sound of each is very different. One weird thing is that my first version is nearly two whole minutes longer than this one, even though I've listened carefully to both and they seem to have exactly the same stuff. It's possible that the time difference is due to a slight difference in playback speed on each recording. As for the sound difference: the first version of this was somewhat dull and hissy. This version is loud with little to no hiss, but it seems to sort of break up at really loud portions of the songs and someone else who was listening to this with me said it sounded like they were playing in a tin can. Also in comparing them it sounded to me as though the first version might have a bit more depth to it, making it easier to hear the background crowd noises and softer tones. The sound is not perfect. However, it is without the clicking problem that occurred in the first version above. The original version of this, Euchre Show, was actually missing a bit of the intro before "Watcher" that was included on the previous entry. There was also a hiccup in "Stagnation." This version that I have created splices in the rest of the initial intro from Watford Town Hall and removes the hiccup. This really is a great show, with a lot of numbers and some really great stories. The intro for "Box," which is the rarer form of the story as told at the Reading Festival (see entry for that show), is actually a few words longer on here than it was on Watford Town Hall. It's a mystery to me how two recordings which are from the same show and must be from the very same source tape can have so many little differences.

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Watford Town Hall '72

28/6/72

01 Intro: Watcher (0:47)
02 Watcher of the Skies (7:34)
03 Intro: Stagnation (0:56)
04 Stagnation (8:29)
05 Intro: Salmacis (2:17)
06 One-Handed Drum Solo (2:53)
07 The Fountain of Salmacis (8:12)
08 Happy the Man (4:23)
09 Twilight Alehouse (8:41)
10 Intro: Box (1:24)
11 The Musical Box (12:01)
12 The Return of the Giant Hogweed (10:51)
13 Intro: Knife/Improvisation (1:13)
14 The Knife (9:25)

Type/Quality: Audience/Good

Comments: This is a third version of the famous Watford gig (see next entry, the ideal version). Unfortunately it is still not that perfect version I was hoping for. It's better than the tinniness and rough edges of Highland's Euchre Show, and it's better than the hissiness (and occasional clicks) on my first version--but it has its own problems. Starting in "Alehouse" and continuing on to the end of the disc, an increasing amount of low static noises/pops punctuate the recording. Probably added by a burner somewhere along the way, they are irreparable and, when you notice them, annoying. The question is, will you notice them? I've had the experience on other shows of hearing noise that other people do not hear, and I sometimes find that on different stereos or sound systems, pops and crackles will appear or disappear. The static that I heard is rare and low for "Box." It only gets really bad about halfway through "Hogweed"--the most affected track on the disc. "Knife" is also noisy, but not as bad as "Hogweed." Perhaps you won't notice it, and perhaps it's on other copies of this show. Again, see next entry for what is probably the best available version of this show.

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Like a Nun With a Gun (PRRPGS002)

28/6/72

1-1 Support Act and Introduction (3:13)
1-2 Watcher of the Skies (7:30)
1-3 Intro: Stagnation (1:18)
1-4 Stagnation (8:36)
1-5 Intro: Salmacis (1:55)
1-6 One-Handed Drum Solo (3:16)
1-7 The Fountain of Salmacis (8:29)
1-8 Happy the Man (4:24)
1-9 Twilight Alehouse (8:52)

2-1 Intro: Box (1:24)
2-2 The Musical Box (10:40)
2-3 Intro: Hogweed (1:41)
2-4 The Return of the Giant Hogweed (9:42)
2-5 Intro: Knife/Improvisation (2:16)
2-6 The Knife (9:28)

Type/Quality: Audience/Good-Very Good

Comments: At the Town Hall in Watford, this is a remastered version of one of the best Genesis recordings from this tour. With the inclusion of the very strange opening act, the show has been stretched to two discs and is the cleanest and least "doctored-sounding" version I have. Very glad to have finally a nice version of this: it really is among my favorite Genesis shows to listen to. The sound is definitely not what you'd call soundboard, but it's good for its time. If you're up for more reading, feel free to peruse my first entry for this date, where I describe what happens in the gig with more detail.

The opening act (which sounds much hissier than the rest of the show and is probably untreated) was apparently a man who could play songs by making sound effects with his mouth or his body in some way. I don't know if the few short minutes included here represent his whole performance, but you do get to hear a few numbers--unique stuff, if nothing else!

Incidentally, I've read comments on the Movement from people complaining that this show was speed-altered and made too slow. However I believe these comments are coming from people who have not listened carefully to previous versions of this show. I'm not an expert at judging speed but I will say that for whatever reason Peter's vocals always sounded rather froggy on this recording, that the actual speed of the songs sounds reasonable, and the track times here are comparable to previous versions. So that, even if this is a little slow, it is most likely more the fault of the source recording than that of the remasterers.

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Solihull '72

25/7/72

1 Watcher of the Skies (7:52)
2 Stagnation (10:41)
3 The Fountain of Salmacis (9:38)
4 Twilight Alehouse (9:00)
5 The Musical Box (11:56)
6 The Return of the Giant Hogweed (8:37)

Type/Quality: Audience/Good-Fair

Comments: (I have an apparently remastered version of this gig; see next entry.) At the Civic Hall in Solihull, for me this show came out of nowhere. For a long time I thought I had all the Nursery Cryme tour shows there were, then one day I took a stroll through Simon's site and found this one, from an entire month of 1972 which was until this show unrepresented by audience recordings. This is an interesting transitional period for the band in which "Watcher of the Skies" started appearing in the set but other songs which would end up on Foxtrot were not ready for performance yet. Basically this is the classic NC set with "Watcher" in place of "Happy the Man."

There are also the classic Genesis technical problems, which crop up after the intro for "Stagnation." The audience are told that they "just missed" hearing Phil's drum solo. Pete does some good intros (as heard on the Watford Town Hall recordings), such as his "the Gods were bored" story for "Salmacis" and his introduction of Phil's triangle playing before "Alehouse." The "Musical Box" story tells the tale of little Henry's father, who had a box of mucus and a dining room with his relations up in glass cases. "Hogweed" is given the "House of Hammer" introduction which mentions Vincent Price and the Hogweed Youth Movement. The sound is a little muddy; my track times match the version on Simon's site which is "untreated" (see below for the "treated" version). Nice to have one of these heretofore missing pieces from the Genesis live repertoire.

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Solihull '72

25/7/72

1 Watcher of the Skies (7:54)
2 Stagnation (10:43)
3 The Fountain of Salmacis (9:40)
4 Twilight Alehouse (9:02)
5 The Musical Box (11:58)
6 The Return of the Giant Hogweed (8:36)

Type/Quality: Audience/Good

Comments: At the Civic Hall in Solihull. The track times for this disc match those of the "remastered version" listed on Simon's The Movement. I haven't sat down to compare my untreated version with this one, but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and have upped my quality rating one notch compared to the previous entry. I will say that this time around I found it very difficult to hear Pete's intros.

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Reading Festival (HW03)

11/8/72

 

01 Audience Intro (1:39)
02 The Knife (9:15)
03 Intro: Alehouse (1:30)
04 Twilight Alehouse (8:10)
05 Intro: Watcher (1:16)
06 Watcher of the Skies (7:30)
07 Intro: Box (1:33)
08 The Musical Box (10:51)
09 Intro: Hogweed (0:34)
10 The Return of the Giant Hogweed (8:14)

Type/Quality: Audience/Good-Very Good

Comments: This is a Hogweeds project release, which means that it has to a certain extent been remastered. It certainly sounds better than the bits from Reading Festival that are on The Coastliners, directly below. This track list is in the correct order; the band played an altered and abridged set at the festival that night, and then hopped on a plane for their second leg of Italy on that tour. Hard to believe they actually started their set with "The Knife!" I believe this only happened one other time, at the Kennington Oval during the next tour. This is a fairly rare occurrence of "Watcher" on the NC tour, and features one of the only times Pete told any kind of story introducing the song (also one of the only times the song appeared in the middle of the set and not on the beginning or the very end). It is a rather short and feeble story, admittedly, but it is there. During the intro for "Watcher" something must be going slightly wrong, because Pete says "It's almost time for our world famous 'One-Handed Drum Solo'" (to which Phil retorts, "Almost time?"). However, it's not on this disc, so I don't think they actually played the solo, but went ahead into the song (unlike the slightly different version on Watford Town Hall, this "Watcher" is pretty much identical to the album version). For parts of it Pete's vocals are not there, and all you hear is the unfortunate back-up vocals (I and the boys at Hogweeds think it's probably Mike on the back-ups, not Phil, because it's just too embarrassingly amateur to be Phil). There is also (as Pete points out) a "dramatic pause" before "Musical Box," probably another indication of the dreaded Genesis technical bug curse. There's certainly a lot of feedback going on between the songs. Still a good set though.

Some other things: Pete, as he often did before this song, talks about Phil's prowess with the triangle before "Twilight Alehouse." He also tells the slightly different story for "Musical Box" which involves little Henry's father, a box of mucus, and some dead relatives in glass cases.

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The Coastliners

20/8/72

Afternoon Show (Good)
1-1 Watcher of the Skies (ending) (4:04)
1-2 Can-Utility and the Coastliners (6:49)
1-3 Twilight Alehouse (9:08)
1-4 Get 'em Out by Friday (incomplete) (7:43)
1-5 The Knife (partial) (5:55)
Reading Festival (Fair-Good): 11/8/72
1-6 Audience Intro (1:28)
1-7 The Knife (10:22)
1-8 Twilight Alehouse (7:50)

Alternate Disc One:
Afternoon Show (Good)
1-1 Watcher of the Skies (ending) (4:04)
1-2 Can-Utility and the Coastliners (6:48)
1-3 Twilight Alehouse (9:08)
1-4 Get 'em Out by Friday (incomplete) (7:43)
1-5 The Knife (partial) (5:52)
Afternoon Show? (different source)(Poor)
1-6 Harold the Barrel (2:48)

Evening Show (Fair-Good)
2-1 Watcher of the Skies (9:19)
2-2 Can-Utility and the Coastliners (6:47)
2-3 The Fountain of Salmacis (8:29)
2-4 Twilight Alehouse (8:50)
2-5 Get 'em Out by Friday (8:38)
2-6 The Musical Box (10:44)
2-7 The Return of the Giant Hogweed (7:51)
2-8 The Knife (9:01)

Type/Quality: Audience/Varies; see above

Comments: (See next entry for an alternate version of the afternoon show from this date.) Most of this was recorded at the Piper 2000 Club in Viareggio, Italy. It features both the matinee and evening gigs from this venue. The matinee gig was rather incomplete, so it has been filled out with some few songs from the Reading Festival of a few days earlier. This gig came at very near the end of the NC tour; by then, the set had mutated into a kind of mix of the original NC set and the set that would be used during the Foxtrot tour. "Watcher," "Can-Utility" and "Friday" are all sounding pretty much as they would sound on the album. A small exception is the sort of bridge section in "Friday" that begins "This is an announcement from genetic control..." Pete sings that part a little differently in both versions on here. There's some hum at the beginning of the first "Can-Utility" and near the end of "Watcher." Pete is unable to translate the title of "Can-Utility" into Italian for the audience, for obvious reasons. The end of "Can-Utlity" features the intro for "Salmacis," though the song itself is missing. "Friday" fades out a few seconds before it gets to the last bunch of lines ("With land in your hand, etc."). The first "Knife" has the very beginning of the song, but then cuts to the ending section right before the "we are only wanting freedom" line. The Reading Festival show had some feedback problems. In comparison with the quality of the matinee show, these tracks sound a little far away; the distance of the recording microphone from the band seems to change, as the sound seems to vary in strength. Pete introduces "The Knife" as a "brand new number." (For better Reading Festival stuff, see above entry.)

Now, for the alternate disc one! I came across an mp3 of "Harold" that claimed to be from this date, and later was able to basically confirm that it is from this date. This makes it the only recorded live "Harold" from the NC tour--there are none from the Foxtrot tour, and only a few from the SEBTP tour. This one has a different ending than the SEBTP versions, in that instead of going into the long, slow fade-out it comes to a louder, more abrupt end, with lots of drums. The quality is poor but the song is played with lots of energy and it's a very rare thing, so it's valuable. In the version of disc one with this song on it, I have removed the Reading Festival material because I already have better Reading Festival stuff and because I think it's redundant to have it in more than one place. I have heard that "Harold" was actually played at both shows on this date, once in the middle of the set and once as an encore, and that there is a different version of "Harold" from this date that is incomplete. I have yet to come across any evidence for this other "Harold." This one is from the afternoon show, but as it is from a different source and has a lower quality, I felt it made more sense to put it at the end of the set than to stick it in the middle of the better source recording. See the next entry for a better version of the afternoon show, with "Harold" in the right place.

The evening show has some major hiss, and the sound starts out probably lower than even the Reading show. However, it does get better, and the vocals are always quite distinct. It can get a bit crackly, especially during the louder sections. For at least the first couple of songs, it sounds as if the taper was standing closest to Steve Hackett, as the lead guitar is disproportionately high in the mix. This impression left me after those first couple of numbers, and apart from some low starts most of these songs sound pretty darn great. "The Musical Box" is missing a small section of guitar solo (before the "Old King Cole" section). "The Knife" is missing its first five or ten seconds, and is in a lower volume than the previous songs. In both the matinee and evening shows Peter tries to get the audience excited about Phil's use of the triangle. It's really cool to have all these shows together like this--a great boot, warts and all.

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Viareggio (early show)

20/8/72

1 Watcher of the Skies (ending) (3:04)
2 Can-Utility and the Coastliners (7:25)
3 The Fountain of Salmacis (9:05)
4 Twilight Alehouse (9:12)
5 Get 'em Out by Friday (incomplete) (8:28)
6 The Return of the Giant Hogweed (ending) (1:17)
7 The Knife (partial) (5:52)
8 Harold the Barrel (2:49)

Type/Quality: Audience/Good-Fair

Comments: Most people probably only have The Coastliners when it comes to the 20/8/72 shows, but individual and better quality versions of both shows do exist. This is an example. If you compare the track listing with the previous boot, you'll see that this one has additional songs. Strangely enough, even though "Watcher" appears to be shorter in time on this disc, there is actually more of the song on this recording than on the other. You'll also see "Fountain of Salmacis," which is complete here, although it was totally missing from The Coastliners. There is also at least a bit of "Hogweed" here. "The Knife" and "Friday" are both unfortunately just as incomplete as they were on the other version. However, this one truly includes my only live version of "Harold the Barrel" from this tour--and it sounds slightly better than the crummy mp3 I used on the alternate disc one above. If you compare my sound ratings on the two versions, you'll see this one actually gets a lower rating. This is probably not accurate--I think this show if anything sounds better than the version on Coastliners. It also has more music. However, there is an incredibly loud and forceful hiss permeating the whole thing--you have to hear it to believe it. If it weren't for that hiss (and of course the fact that this is a very incomplete recording), this would be a really great show. As it is, I still think it's a very valuable boot and while I was searching for it I claimed that I would be willing to possibly commit murder in order to obtain it. Don't worry, no one died--even though the lack of murder disappointed the guy I traded with to get it.

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Seven Stones in Genoa

22/8/72

1 Watcher of the Skies (8:52)
2 Can-Utility and the Coastliners (6:38)
3 The Fountain of Salmacis (8:14)
4 Twilight Alehouse (8:31)
5 Seven Stones (6:20)
6 The Musical Box (10:59)
7 The Return of the Giant Hogweed (8:59)
8 The Knife (9:57)

Type/Quality: Audience/Good-Fair

Comments: (I have multiple versions of this gig; see entries below.) As far as I know this features the only existing live recording of "Seven Stones." Also the last boot of the NC tour. Played at the Teatro Alcione in Genoa, Italy. Song intros are very short and may have been edited by the taper. Seems to start twice, but after that there are no big problems apart from some negligible noise. Actually a fairly clear sound--not a fantastic audience recording, but not as muddy as I expected it to sound. "Seven Stones" probably sounds better than the version I have on a compilation disc elsewhere.

By all rights, the original source boot for this disc should be called Through the Looking Glass, because the bootleg whose name (all according to Simon's list, mind you) is actually Seven Stones in Genoa, which I also have below, has a different track order and different times. However I have kept the name that the trader who sent this original disc labeled it with, which was Seven Stones in Genoa. With the receipt by me of the alternate version of this show, below, I was able to upgrade this version, tacking on "The Knife," which was missing from the original version of this disc. I don't think I even noticed it wasn't there. I also fixed the end of "Hogweed," which originally snapped off rather abruptly--my version fades out, and "Knife" fades back in.

(The BURP remaster from the master tapes of this gig does not have "Knife," which seems like fairly good proof of its being from a different recording. I assumed for a long time that "Knife" was a splice from an entirely different gig. It seems though from entries and comments on Simon's site that there was more than one audience recording of this show, and the lower quality one of the two has "The Knife" on it, so this "Knife" actually may be from Genoa.)

The ending of "The Knife," it is interesting to note, smacks of editing after the fact--the last beat of the pounding refrain of the song repeats over and over again in record-skipping fashion to fill up the fade-out. This was probably intentionally repeated so that the track could actually fade out instead of cutting off abruptly right at the song's end.

Since the official version of Through the Looking Glass is missing "The Knife" anyway, this is now technically a hybrid show, and it deserves the alternate title, which makes more sense than Through the Looking Glass.

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Seven Stones in Genoa

22/8/72

1 Can-Utility and the Coastliners (6:09)
2 The Fountain of Salmacis (8:15)
3 Twilight Alehouse (8:09)
4 Watcher of the Skies (6:58)
5 The Return of the Giant Hogweed (8:08)
6 Seven Stones (4:58)
7 The Musical Box (10:16)
8 The Knife (9:57)

Type/Quality: Audience/Good-Fair

Comments: This is the actual, established version of the bootleg Seven Stones in Genoa (according to Simon Funnell). That isn't saying much for it though, as you can tell, because its track list is totally out of order in regards to the actual set. It does have all the songs, but all of the intros, even the shortened edited ones of the above version of the boot, have been carelessly removed, at the expense even of the beginnings of some of the songs (both "Watcher" and "Can-Utility" start late). Probably this vicious editing was performed in order to fit the music onto an LP record, which is no doubt the original source of this bootleg. The re-ordering is somewhat baffling however. I did compare this bootleg's sound quality with that of the above, correct version, and to my ears they sounded pretty much the same. It is probable however that the above version is the better of the two in that department as well.

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BURP 8

22/8/72

1 Watcher of the Skies (7:21)
2 Can-Utility and the Coastliners (6:44)
3 The Fountain of Salmacis (7:57)
4 Twilight Alehouse (7:50)
5 Seven Stones (4:59)
6 The Musical Box (10:54)
7 The Return of the Giant Hogweed (8:50)

Type/Quality: Audience/Good-Very Good

Comments: At the Teatro Alcione in Genoa. This is probably the definitive version of this gig, remastered from the master tapes. It does sound better than my previous versions of this show. I thought that the speed was too fast, but it may be accurately speed-corrected and I was just too used to hearing the old, slow Genoa recordings. The sound is quite nice, even though it does have some moments where it sounds as though it might break up. It is just as complete as other versions, and some of the in between stuff is missing (you only get the end of the intro for "Salmacis" and there is nothing before "Alehouse"--it also has always sounded to me as though a possible drum solo is ending right before "Seven Stones"). It appears there was more than one recording for this date, and the other one has the encore of "The Knife" (see previous entries).

The track transitions are slightly smoother here than on my other versions, which had more obvious edit points--the remasterer has nicely put some cross fades in here. I believe there is more on the end of "Hogweed" than on other versions--there's a long section where the crowd cheers for an encore. This disc unfortunately has split second pauses, but they are very small and not very noticeable (sometimes the fades between songs help to mask them as well). One of the better boots from this tour, which is particularly nice considering the full set list with some rare numbers.

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